(POLL) Are You Happy to See the Vikings Get a New Stadium?
The plan was approved by the Senate on Thursday.
With Senate approval coming on Thursday by a 36-30 vote, a new Minnesota Vikings stadium is on its way.
After plenty of twists and turns throughout the legislative session, debate intensified this week, as the House and Senate both held several late-night sessions to discuss the bill.
All that remains now is a signature from Gov. Mark Dayton, who has been an ardent stadium supporter. Dayton is holding a press conference at 5:45 p.m. today with stadium bill authors, Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak and team owner Zygi Wilf, and Dayton could sign the bill then.
The new stadium will cost roughly $975 million, with the team slated to pay a little less than half. The state will pay about $348 million by expanding gambling. The city of Minneapolis will pay the remaing $150 million.
Under the plan, the Vikings will sign a 30-year lease on the new stadium, which will be built on the site of the Metrodome. The team would pay about $13 million annually in operating fees, and a public authority will be able to lease out the facility on non-game days.
Here's how the process played out in several Minnesota Patch communities:
- Woodbury: Rep. Kieffer Outlines ‘No’ Vote on Vikings Stadium Bill
- Edina: Michel Helps Vikings Stadium Bill Clear Senate and Downey: Vikings Stadium 'Too Big, Too Fancy, Too Expensive'
- Golden Valley: Winkler Says He'll Vote for Stadium Bill
- Lakeville: Garofalo Only South Metro Republican to Support Stadium Bill
- Maple Grove: Maple Grove Legislators Vote Against Vikings Stadium Bill
- Stillwater: Vikings Stadium Bill Passes House, Senate Despite ‘No’ Votes from Stillwater Area Legislators
- Hopkins: Latz Votes 'Yes,' Stadium Bill Passes Senate
- Inver Grove Heights: Here's Why Rep. Joe Atkins Voted 'Yes'
- Shakopee: Robling Votes 'Yes,' Vikings Stadium Passes Senate
- Mendota Heights: Senate OKs Vikings Stadium Bill, Metzen Votes 'Yes' and House Votes 'Yes' on Vikings, Hansen Votes 'No'
- St. Louis Park: District 44 Reps Vote 'Yes' on Stadium
- Richfield:VIDEO: Senate OKs Vikings Stadium Biil, Kelash Votes 'Yes'
- Oakdale: Oakdale’s Legislators Vote ‘Yes’ on Vikings Stadium
- Minnetonka: Sen. Bonoff: User Fees Needed in Stadium Bill
- St. Michael: Koch, Minnesota Senate Approve Final Vikings Stadium Offer
- Rosemount: Vikings Stadium Bill Passes, Bills, Gerlach Vote 'No'
Now, we want to know what you think about the new Vikings stadium. Take our poll, and be sure to leave a comment below.
Bobby
2:13 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I'm surprised to see this didn't end up happening in Arden Hills. What happened to that plan? Was clean up too expensive?
James Sanna
2:21 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I think, a couple things happened: That plan encountered some initial resistance from Ramsey County commissioners and voters, and Minneapolis Mayor RT Rybak took advantage of that to get other stadium backers to rally around a Minneapolis site.
Mark EWing
5:39 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I am very grateful for the new stadium! I don't love the fixed roof plan. My perfect stadium would be an outdoor one. I used to feel so much pride when the Vikings played in the snow. I think the players did too. It hurts me to this day when the Bears and Packers are known as the tough outdoor teams of our division. Please at least get a retractable roof so us old school fans can get back the pride.
Jeff Roberts
2:20 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Agreed, Bobby. I'm happy as a clam the bill passed but would love to have seen it in Arden Hills.
Mike Schoemer
2:24 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I'm just happy I'll get to take my then-9-year-old son to a home game. Somewhere. Period
strangedub
2:26 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Great to see Vikings stadium deal get done!
I mean, it sure would suck not having the Vikings around for the PACKERS to BEAT UP ON!
Michael Rose
2:30 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Hey, for at least a few years, I don't think fans will care...we'll just be too amazed by the stadium! (see Twins, circa 2011)
Caitlin Burgess
2:39 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I like that the stadium will be downtown. There's just something about the atmosphere down there when you go to see a ball game. I feel the same if I head to Xcel Energy Center in downtown St. Paul. Richfield Patch readers got a little heated about it yesterday on Facebook. Multiple sides. I attached a screenshot of the conversation.
Derrick Williams
2:59 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Taking off the reporter hat—I would have preferred Arden Hills. I love the ambiance afforded the tail-gating crowd that grill up brats and tosses beanbags four hours before the game. It's among the reasons I travel out-state to catch professional sports from time to time.
Clare Kennedy
2:44 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Here's one reaction. Vikings fans break into song at state cap: http://www.twitvid.com/FH6VQ
Michael Rose
2:56 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
That's awesome...and probably more cheering then was done all of last year at the Metrodome! (Coming from a proud but realistic Vikes fan)
Angie Whitcomb
2:46 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I am happy for the Vikings and their fans, especially Cory Merrifield from SavetheVikes.org and now I hope that the Mpls City Council gets it right. That said, I still think the BEST place for the stadium would have been Shakopee. :-)
Lisa Baumann
2:50 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
We had a LOT of fun with our Shakopee bid, but truth be told, it seems to me like it belongs in Minneapolis.
Michael Rose
2:57 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
You're saying it shouldn't be in the gambling capital of MN? Man, would I love that!
Heather G
4:08 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
I find the cost of the games too high for my family's budget, so it won't affect me directly, but of all the plans I heard, the Shakopee bid seemed most interesting.
Sarah Millard
2:50 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
It's going to be nice seeing the Packers beat the Vikings in a shiny new stadium ;)
Michael Rose
2:58 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Like I said to strangedub above, for at least a few years, I don't think fans will care...we'll just be too amazed by the stadium! (see Twins, circa 2011)
James Sanna
2:51 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
What do folks think about the portion of the deal (http://www.startribune.com/local/blogs/150950835.html) that overrides a portion of the Minneapolis charter saying voters should get a say if the city spends more than $10 mil on a pro sports facility. Mayor Rybak has argued that the money that funds the city's contribution is really state money? I'm no lawyer, but his argument has always struck me as a little fishy.
CHDaggett
11:44 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
I've been an ardent DFL'er for over 35 years but I'm furious with Rybak on this one. There's just been way to much arm twisting and turning belly-up to special interest pressure through out the process on this whole deal. Will be interesting to see how this plays out in November - though I bet the "thank you!" votes may end up balancing out the "how could you??" votes.
Melissa Dahl
2:58 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Yeah soooooo happy it passed!! After all they are and will always be the MN Vikings!!!! Skol!
Michael Rose
3:03 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
So you're saying L.A. already has enough MN sports teams (see, Lakers)?
Penna1965
3:01 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Not happy, that money could be better spent for other things.
Clare Kennedy
3:05 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I know what you mean. Our school district is really hurting.
Leo Ganzer
3:51 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
So you think it helps the state to kick a multi-billion dollar industry out of the state.The Vikings and the players will pay almost a billion in taxes over the next 30 years. Money that will help fund the schools.
AmberG
9:50 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
I agree Penna. I think the money could be better spent for other things. In the end, it will be families who pay when their loved ones with addictive personalities spend too much time and money on the expanded gambling (electronic pull-tabs, etc) that is the "revenue stream" the state and the Vikes are counting on to fund this billion-dollar blunder.
Melissa Dahl
3:16 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I am done giving LA our sports teams. They can get there own from some where else!
David Haines
3:17 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Glad it's over but I think the public money could have better used as well. Get ready, the st.paul saints will be next to get in line for a publicly funded stadium and our state will still be broke.
Mike Carlier
1:36 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
Our state will never be broke as long as there are accounting tricks.
Jim
3:25 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Wonderfull news, the Vikings really needed a new place to play in. The roof was destroyed last year impacting their play time at the dome. Remember they had to play a crucial game out of town, not fair to fans or players.
Noticed Senator Wiger voted for the stadium, good vote Senator Wiger on a priority project. You must understand the Vikings could have left town, where would we be then?
Getting this out of the way now might allow the next Legislative session to fund lower priorities like schools, police, fire, flood control, etc etc.
joshua jorgensen
3:32 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
We should be spending the money in areas that are needed! Schools,roads,bridges,ect. And second of all when have the vikings ever proved that they deserve a new stadium? If the nfl and the vikings want it so bad they should pay for it! Not a single penny should come from tax payers! And evertyones wonders why our country is in debt! Stupid things just like this!!
Leo Ganzer
3:47 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
You lost pal and i'm glad you did...
Thomas
4:52 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I agree Mr. Jorgensen, although I think the Mn public school system has enough money to waste at the moment.
Thomas Nelson
7:14 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Joshua, you need to listen closely next time someone explains the benefits (both financially and jobs created) of keeping the Vikings here by building this stadium.
SomeGuy
9:39 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Agreed. The argument that sports teams generate revenue has been de-bunked numerous times. It is simply descretionary income budgeted for entertainment which is simply shifted from one experience to another.
As for creating new construction jobs, repairing our crumbling bridges and expanding our inadequate infrastructure would've certainly benefited far more businesses and citizens for the same dollars.
Glad the Vikings are staying, disappointed in our leaders to knuckle under to a single businesses, and likely illegally (expect lawsuits over sidestepping the Minneapolis City Charter, which may drag this thing out further).
Michael Garlitz
3:43 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I've lived in the Twin Cities area for nearly 18 years now. For all but like four days of that time, I've heard seemingly endless chatter of one team or another needing a new ballpark, arena or stadium. I hope this marks the end of stadium talk for at least a week or two.
Julia A. Sherrard
3:44 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Awesome news. The Vikings are so much more than just football to this state. The new stadium does come with a Super Bowl, right? ;)
Michael Rose
4:06 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Most likely, Julia. The last two Super Bowls (in Indianapolis and Dallas) were held at stadiums opened in the last few years. Detroit also got a Super Bowl in 2006, shortly after Ford Field opened.
Smarter Than You
3:47 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Vikings could leave town! Schools, police, fire and flood control are lower priorities? This is not the state it use to be. Our priorities and morality do not connect anymore. I can't believe he said that.
Joe Atkins
5:16 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Here are some of the reasons I and several of my colleagues supported the stadium bill, some of which never made it into the news coverage about the proposal: 1) The funding source provides significant tax relief to charitable gambling organizations, many of which are really struggling under an excessive tax burden, and which support our local veterans, sports, and arts organizations; 2) an independent analysis shows that over $800 million in tax revenues will come into the State as a result of a new facility, $560 million of which comes in from out-of-state sources and otherwise would not have been realized; 3) the team and NFL ended up kicking in nearly half a billion dollars for a facility they will only use about 10 days per year, leaving the rest of the time available for other public uses; 4) historically, when a pro sports franchise leaves, communities seek a replacement franchise at 3-5 times the cost of keeping the original team; and 5) we had more constituents contact us about supporting this proposal than on any other issue... ever.
Jim
7:41 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Listening to many Senators from both parties today make statements regarding how weak the funding sources are make me really wonder if there is a truth out there?
One thing for certian IF the gambleing does not provide needed revenue the needed funds will come from the General Fund. That was clearly stated. Of course that draw down of the General Fund will make it more likely a budget shortfall might occur, going forward.
Julie Deitering
9:24 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
LIKE!
Ron Christensen
5:46 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
better now than in 5-8 years when the costs would be out of site - now we just need to clear out ALL those who are our so-called representitives in state gov't. and start with new blood!
Elizabeth Barton
6:14 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Glad to see our money going to waste. The Vikings can go anywhere but a new stadiu, and those is coming from a football fan.
strangedub
6:54 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
There's nothing like a stadium-related poll in Minnesota to get lots of input and opinions...
Michael Rose
7:33 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Amen to that...
joshua jorgensen
8:01 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Thomas nelson you need to understand that under no circumstances can the taxpayers of minnesota afforrd this at this point in time! What are our kids and grandkids going to think when they look back at our generation? I think I know! How stupid could our fathers and grandfathers be? Our nation is spinning out of controll into a deep dark pit of DEBT! Our polititions have all failed us and now headed to a communist nighmare that has allready begun!! Wake up so we can give our children and grandchildern a fighting chance otherwise us and our offsping will be doomed!!!!
Thomas Nelson
6:53 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
You still don't get it do ya...
It's pointless trying to get you to see the positives when you have the blinders on.
C Knoll
1:16 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
How can we not afford it now we have Kindergardeners with Ipads!
Kris Tande
12:18 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012
My kids and grandkids will know that when you grow up, work hard pay your bills and taxes, support those that are less fortunate you should be able to enjoy a quaility a life that includes the Vikings, Twins, the theater etc. because they derserve it.
Mike Windsperger
9:45 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Why can we find money for a new stadium when we have to borrow money from our local school districts to balance a budget? Ultimately we need to get our priorities in order. Oh, and when you go to your favorite watering hole to purchase pulltabs, you can choose to either help out local charities and buy the paper tabs or you can play the electronic version to help pay for the stadium. This might be the time to get your priorities right!
Jim
9:56 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Buying only paper pulltabs won't work because if the stadium isn't funded the needed money will just be taken from the States General Fund. Good thinking thou.
C
6:12 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Paper and electronic pull-tabs will both be taxed at the same rate. All of the tax collected from charitable gambling will be deposited into the state's general fund. Pull-tab receipts will actually be taxed at a lower rate after July 1. The increased income to the state results from the projected increase in gambling gross receipts.
Jim
8:42 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Thanks Chris,
So EVERYONE needs to start gambleing more, you know pick up a bad habit to support billionaire Zigi.
This is a plan for the future of Minnesota.
Rebeccah Welch
10:39 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I'm glad this waste of space and money isn't going to be in Shakopee.
Leo Ganzer
5:46 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
I'm glad it is not going there also...too bad Canterbury was built out there in the boondocks.
Greg Leaon
1:41 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
It's awesome that we got our New Vikings Stadium as I expected and they are here to stay! Shame on those in the MN House and the MN Senate for voting against this bill. They are totally clueless as to the ramifications if we would have lost them to another city. They are part of Minnesota culture, our lives, and an asset to our state. I bleed purple. Show your horns. Skol Vikings!!!
Andrew
6:34 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
I'm originally from Wisconsin so I'm a Packer fan. The rivalry with my co-workers is 'fun' so I'm glad they are staying. But who is going to have to pay for the cost overruns that are sure to happen?
Mike Schoemer
11:00 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
According to the bill, overruns are being billed to the team.
Linda Witte
7:11 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
I am completely opposed to any public money being spent on big sports particularly in difficult economic times. But i also understand the phrase issued by Juvenal in Roman times: give them bread and circuses.
Carol Bungert
7:28 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Not happy but would have bet my retirement dollars that it would turn out this way. Not unlike the many years of the Twins stadium battle. Didn't the taxpayers repeatedly say they didn't want to fund that...and we know how that turned out. There are a lot more important things that we could be spending public dollars on
Kari
7:56 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
meh...I'm more happy to be done hearing about it. There are so many more items that need the attention & money from our state. The playground bullies got their attention AND their way, once again....I'm so over it.
Kim Wolfe
8:10 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
I think we could have accomplished the same thing with a referendum.
mary helmbrecht
8:45 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
NOT happy! There are many more things the money SHOULD be spent on! If the rich players + owners want a new stadium then the team and the people ATTENDING the games should pay for it! We are a much more diverse state then years ago and I bet many of our new residents(who pay taxes) won't be going to see a game. Also, I would MUCH rather go see a high school game when the players put their heart + soul into wanting to win and they're not playing "for the almighty dollar". Many pros seem to think they're above the law and can do anything + get away with it and they do-not good role models anymore. And why should a losing team be awarded a new stadium? There is nothing wrong with "The Dome" they HAD to have either-the roof was just repaired at HOW much money? They wouldn't let US vote since they KNEW it wouldn't pass!
Randy Marsh
11:36 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Mary, there is so much ignorance in your post I won't even begin to dissect it. Just please do some research before perpetuating things that are not true.
John Helmbricht
3:30 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
About 99% of this post is either completely untrue or completely irrelevant.
ABSG
8:50 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Very Happy...It's Great For Minnesota. (although this should of happened 6 years ago).
All the haters can gladly move to a non-pro-sports state if they don't agree with making our State a better place to live. It's only about 2 hours straight South on 35W :-)
Alright - now that's done with, what else can we resolve today?
Julie Deitering
9:22 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Or Omaha. :)
John Munger
8:57 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
A disgusting display of political cynecism by our elected representatives and a disgusting display of childish Hoo-Rah by some football fans apparently lacking much sense of the bigger picture. Do you decorate the hedge when the house is burning down? Do you give a glitzy new stadium to already-wealthy football magnates when the economy is in shambles. SHAME!! SHAME!! STUPID!! STUPID!!
Marsha
9:02 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Why can the legislators vote for a stadium yet balk at truly supporting things such as infrastructure, the social safety nets, and public education (to name just a few worthy items)?
Fran Sepler
9:20 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Awful priorities. I am glad to have a professional sports team here, but we gave in to the petulant league representatives instead of thinking through what was best for Minnesota. Instead of a football-specific stadium, we could have planned something that might attract an MLS team and other uses; furthermore, we could have held the NFL's feet to the fire to demand a certain degree of charitable involvement in exchange for the public contribution. This has been an awful session, with another counterproductive constitutional amendment, bad taxation priorities and not much else to show for it.
Randy Marsh
11:39 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
You should have stopped before you mentioned MLS. Hilarious to think that a soccer team will draw more fans that a typical high school football game.
Al Tate
1:23 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
Fran, The vikings do more for charitable organizations than many public and private businesses in this state. As for the new stadium it is a multi-use stadium and can be used for soccer, concerts, truck pulls, trade shows, football at any level, and anything else that can be done inside a large venue. And you know what, it can also possibly attract an MLS team!
Julie Deitering
9:21 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
We spend enough money on the arts, education and welfare and some of us don't appreciate it all that much or complain about it as much as folks have about the stadium. All the naysayers on Target Field have shut their mouths. Is it too much to ask to have a full boat of sports teams? I believe we'd like to remain a major metropolitan area. This is a wonderful place to live. I only hope we get a local owner and a Super Bowl win in my lifetime.
Jim
9:30 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Target field is done, there is no point in raising issues. Much like the Stillwater Lake Saint Croix Bridge which isn't yet built. Once done there is nothing to be gained from expressing concern.
There always seems to be a bunch of Minnesota/Wisconsin knotheads supporting the giving MILLIONS to BILLIONAIREs like Wilf.
Guess we should shut up and worry about it when the tax bill arrives. Oh ya start gambleing OR gamble more if you already gamble.
Minnesota NOT the Brainpower State!
Julie Deitering
10:33 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Jim, what team has funded an entire stadium? Taxes are unavoidable. Put your money into the arts or education.
Julie Deitering
9:28 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
All the people worried about education and any other areas with "deficits" can certainly write a check to support them or donate supplies. I'm not convinced public money is being handled wisely in many areas. People don't often put their money where their mouth is. They want everyone else to pay for it.
Cheryl Theisen
9:29 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Season ticket holder...nuff said!
Paul Lareau
9:57 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Very unhappy that so many of our legislators and governor show yet again how little they care about the opinions of those they theoretically represent. I guess every dark cloud can have at least one encouraging lining, though. At least they ended up sticking it to Minneapolis and not northern Ramsey County.
Smokin' Joe
10:01 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
So the party that hates the rich, Dayton and his ilk, has managed to pass a stupidity tax on the ignorant to fund a playground for the 1 percenters that they can't stand. Now we have a crappy football team locked in for 30, a crappy baseball team for another 20 some, a crappy hockey team for just plain too long...hmmm, suppose Taylor isn't ready to talk a new Wolves arena? Might as well just hand him the checkbook too.
Mike Schoemer
11:03 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Hate to break it to you ... it's in the Vikings bill. A portion of the $150 million Minneapolis will pay will renovate Target Center.
Emily B
10:02 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
I wish you'd had a "I don't give a crap anymore, thank God the discussion and politics are (hopefully) over" button on the poll.
That said, I did click "no" above because I'm pretty ticked they passed this, but couldn't find space for the SW Lightrail, which would have done a lot for businesses the whole route, so shortsighted.
Derrick Williams
10:02 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
@Jim—Lake St. Croix Bridge? I grew up in Stillwater ... it's most often called the St. Croix River, not lake.
Emily B
10:07 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Also, all the masquerading for the cameras last night... Wilf and Dayton made me sick. "OH we're so proud to have Ziggy here." "Oh we are SO excited to stay in Minnesota, the Vikings belong here" (which is why you threatened to leave right?) It was embarrassing.
Al Tate
10:30 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Hey Emily B, you should do some research - the Vikings not once ever threatened to leave. That statement is incorrect and flat out wrong. Others such as the media mentioned yes, they very well could leave, Dayton mentioned they could leave and those were the truths, they could have left, but not once did Mr. Wilf or anyone associated with the Vikings say "if we don't get this stadium we will leave." So that is wrong. I am proud to have Zygi here, he is a businessman who sticks up for his employees and takes care of those who work for him. Who wouldn't want to be in a company like that? And, what else would you like them to do in front of the cameras? Would you like them to moon everyone? Maybe give us the finger? Pick their nose? Tell us, what should they do when the cameras are on them?
Ken Coy
11:34 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
So, when Lester Bagley said that the Vikings wanted to stay in MN but couldn't without a new stadium, that wasn't a threat? Sorry, Al. THAT is a threat whether anybody wants to admit it or not.
Mike
10:09 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Reminds me of Rome near the end. As Rome fell, the populous cried for more and more sporting venues.
Julie Deitering
10:36 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Great heated discussions.
Ken Coy
11:40 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Glad it's almost over. Maybe next session our legislature can remember how they worked in a bipartisan fashion (both for and against the stadium) and work together to do what's best for the people of MN instead of what's best for the Democrat or Republican party (naw - that won't happen - it'll go back to Party first, People last).
Mike Schoemer
11:44 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Ken - I couldn't agree more with that. If the bi-partisanship agreements we saw through this could prevail through things like education and tax reform, you might get more done at EVERY level of government.
Ken Coy
11:46 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
For those people who bought into the rhetoric from the Vikes and the NFL that it's impossible to win without a new stadium and that a new stadium will darn near guarantee playoffs and Super bowls ----- look at the Twins since they built their new ballpark. The winning that the Vikes and NFL mean is that Wilf wins because he's got lots more money/prestige.
Al Tate
12:53 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
Ken if anyone believes a new stadium results in more wins, then they don't know anything about sports. The stadium has nothing to do with the success or failure of a team. The stadium was all about the business. Ken, find me the quote where Bagley actually said they would move, he never once said it. Not in 10 years. He's said all along the goal was to stay in Minnesota. Now they are staying so it doesn;t matter what the haters think.
Carol
1:33 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
I'm disappointed, this isn't the sort of thing that should be gifted/paid for by government. Although I like the new Twins Structure the way the tax for that was levied was illegal, but unchallenged so it stood. I'm sure I'll like the structure and I'm glad it's in Minneapolis but this isn't the sort of thing that should be financed. A bonding bill should be taken out for things like the southwest corridor light rail, not for a privately held business.
Mike Carlier
3:40 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
I don't know for sure, but don't think that the stadium will be the property of the Vikings. Like light rail which facilitates the prosperity of numerous downtown businesses, the stadium will facilitate a considerable amount of business activity. Is it the best use of public money? Nothing short of returning it to the public is the best use of public money -- so what?
rob_h78
1:45 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
Just glad I don't have to hear about this any longer...
Oh - and don't hold your breath for a Super Bowl win...
Mike Carlier
2:32 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
For decades there was a stadium that was shared by a football team that played almost all its games on Sunday, with another that played almost all its games on Saturday. Other than for the purpose of stroking a few academic egos, why do the Gophers need their own little place? OK, I'll concede that the Vikings will need somewhere to play for a season or so during construction. Why else? Two football stadiums a mile apart makes as much sense as two legislative houses in St. Paul. Well, almost as much sense.
Rebecca Grant
2:34 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
It's too fancy, and it's too expensive....BUT it secured the Vikings future in Minnesota, so that was important!
Al Anderson
3:06 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
Really bad bill filled with lots of special money to buy votes. Lots of irregular rule bending and legislative procedure. Lots of crony monopoly corporatist welfare game playing - the sort that Democrats always cry the most about (but always vote for). I really don't care if a Vikings stadium is built or not..... but it's absolutely a crime to see that this fiasco of a bill is being bankrolled by the taxpayer if yet another form of gambling doesn't pay enough. This should have been totally financed by user fees.
For those that are cheering about this misappropriation of public money to subsidize your passion -- how can you in any justification ever expect this state (much less the country) to get a handle on its' finances? You need to know that in the next session - the use of gambling as a future revenue source will be off the tables - so when the legislature needs to patch up the budget - where do you think they will be looking to find money for HHS or Education? You know it -- increased taxes!
While I would disagree with Sen John Marty (DFL Roseville) 95% of the time on most of his political views -- he was 100% correct in stating that taking public money for entertainment purposes is a very poor choice in priorities. Subsidizing any business is bad business. Why should government be picking winners and losers?
Jim
5:21 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
Never seen Ziggi so happy.
All the Vkings fans were rejoicing aroud him and he was giddy.
Wonder if his mind he was thinking "I just got away with $400,000,000+- and these taxpayers are cheering". I'll bet he was so excited you know what may have been happening.
Susan
5:24 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
I see this as extortion. The Vikings threatened to leave if the state did not hand over hundreds of millions of dollars for a new stadium. Yes, the team will bring hundreds of millions back into the state, but here is the problem I have....they could afford to pay for this themselves - they simply wanted a handout! This is a for-profit entertainment business that pays 46 of it's part-time employees nearly $75 million a year. They could afford to pay for this themselves!
Leo Ganzer
5:51 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
Ahhhhh they are paying more than half of a building they will not own as well 13 million in rental fees so it can be used 350 days a year by MINNESOTANS....
Al Anderson
6:12 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
Leo
The Metrodome can currently be used (and it has a new roof) on every other day that the Vikings aren't in it. Just in case you were wondering.
Susan
6:20 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
I agree with Al, we already have the metradome. Also, us Minnesotans have to pay for just about every event we would attend in this new stadium...how many times would you like us to pay for the privilege of having/using this building. It seems that the big financial beficiaries are those putting on the events (games).
Al Anderson
6:31 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
Given the costs of this "People's stadium" ... you can be sure that there will be quite a few current"happy about building the stadium" people who currently go to Non-Viking events at the Dome that will be shocked at the increased price they'll have to pay to rent it. Be mindful of what you wish for - you might just get a lot more than you thought
Leo Ganzer
7:31 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
Yes we have the Metrodome..rated this week in time magazine as the worst stadium in the country. and that new roof will look nice packed and shipped off to cover some other dump..I mean dome.
Kris Janisch
5:47 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
Susan, when I first saw your comment I thought: Exactly. What if 3M wanted to build a parking lot and threatened to leave without state funds to help build it?
But then I figured, nobody wants to go watch a parking lot. So it's a little different.
I think most people like having the Vikings, and talking about them really does unite a lot of Minnesotans (at least fantasy football players). There's an intrinsic value to having an NFL team in town, for which it's hard to assign a dollar amount.
This kind of thing really wouldn't happen in any other industry... that I can think of anyway.
Susan
6:28 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
I understand, but as I point out above, how many times should we pay for the privilege? I just find this so hard to accept in this economy. The Vikings/NFL put a huge demand on the taxpayers with a threat tied to it....what else would you call that? Just because a percentage of the population happen to support this industry, does not mean the state should be paying for it.
Scott Carlson
6:01 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
I predicted two weeks ago that legislators would find a way to get this done. It seems a lot of people got pulling in the same direction and surprise, surprise, it got done.
Martha Davies
6:53 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
As a former Dallas, TX gal, I am all too familiar with the religion known as "professional football" (We still take our hat off when someone says "Tom Landry"). No matter how one may feel about this issue, (and am not a football fan) it was inevitable that a new stadium would happen. This is football, and after the experience of watching Jerry Jones and his Cowboys get their new stadium, nothing surprises me. No matter what other issues are on the table, football rules.
Kitzer
6:57 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
Is there ANY REASON that I have to scroll to the bottom of the page to make a comment???
AND, why,oh why ~~ are the comments posted from the OLDEST to the NEWEST??
Susan
8:09 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
Kitzer,
First, chill pill comes to mind, but beyond that, yes, scrolling to the bottom to make a comment does take that extra few seconds, but most here enjoy the exchanges on Patch, and really don't mind the very minor inconvenience.
At the risk of being on the receiving end of one of your rants, I must ask, if you find this so distasteful, why are you here?
Mike Carlier
9:54 am on Saturday, May 12, 2012
I guess some folks like to read the last chapter of the book first, but they are likely in the minority. I hope you don't sprain your scrolling finger in the process of all that uncomfortable activity. I for one am glad that the Unchronologists are currently not a protected class in our society;)
Kitzer
7:38 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
I have watched the Vikings at a stadium, a total on ONE time!! ONCE!!
Tell me why I should have to pay for a NEW stadium for some over-paid jocks that run around on MY grass, in MY county, in MY state, while I get nothing out of it??
The 'once' was down in Bloomington ~~ Then we got the WHINING from grown men, "Why can't we have a dome like all the other teams have"?? So, they got it!!!
Then we got more WHINING from grown men, "Why can't we have a new open air stadium like all the other teams have"?? So, now they have that TOO!!!
I can't wait to see what they will be WHINING about in maybe 20 years!!! "Why can't we have a stadium on the moon like all the other teams have"???
mike
7:31 am on Saturday, May 12, 2012
never read something so out of touch with reality. I have a hard time believing you function consistently on a day to day bases Kister.
Mike
8:11 am on Saturday, May 12, 2012
Don't listen to him Kitzer! You are absolutely right.
Leo Ganzer
8:55 am on Saturday, May 12, 2012
Kitzer...don't gamble with electronic pull tabs and you won't pay a dime for the new stadium so stop whining about it.
Mike Carlier
10:07 am on Saturday, May 12, 2012
We can't have a stadium on the moon because Newt Gingrich would be the only one who could attend games. By the way, Bloomington is not whining about trading the stadium for the Mall of America. Stadiums are not like the ones built in Athens with an endless life span. They are more than a place for rich guys to hire other rich guys to play games. They get old and become functionally obsolete. In their prime, they are business magnets and part of our economic infrastructure, the necessity for and importance of which cannot reasonably be denied. Why do we spend so much money building airports for rich guys who own airlines? I hate riding on an airplane. Blah, blah, blah.
Jim
9:23 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
NFL reminds me of an example of a supply and demand situation.
If there are 10 cities that can support an NFL team BUT only 9 NFL teams there will always be competition for a team.
However if there are 10 cities plying for an NFL team and 11 NFL teams then supply if larger than demand.
The NFL is playing games with its teams, always having cities needing a team and NEVER having more teams than cities that could use one.
Those capable of understanding this are not NFL/Vikings supporters.
Jim
10:28 am on Saturday, May 12, 2012
So right now the people interested in voting on the stadium:47% NO 53% YES
Phone calls to the elected officials were 7 to 1 FOR a stadium.
Sorry to say a bunch of activist knotheads incumbered Minnesota and Minneapolis taxpayers to fork over $400,000,000 to build a Vikings stadium so Zigi cn see an increase in the value of his Vikings of $300,000,000.
And we claim to be "Minnesota Smart".
Joan C
2:04 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012
What I want to know is: why do we bother having a law that requires a public referendum if something is going to cost more than $10M in public funds, and it is never utilized???? Because the powers that wanted to ram this billionaire's boondoggle down Minneapolis taxpayer's throats knew it would never pass! Just sayin'
Jim Edward
8:48 am on Monday, May 14, 2012
Why should it be any different here than in Washington? The emporer and the court jester do as they damned well please regardless of what the people that put them in office expected of them.
Jim
8:41 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012
Explanation: Elected officials are easy to smoooze, once elected they have a personality change where they think they are king and queens and can just forget all the rules. After all rules are made to be broken, arn't they?
Of course every one of them can be voted OUT of office.
Terry Elliott
6:40 am on Sunday, May 13, 2012
Joan: you are correct. The law should be amended to spell out that they cannot override it. Not holding the referendum is undemocratic, but this isn't the first time politicians give in to the temptation for less democracy.
M in Lakeville
8:02 am on Monday, May 14, 2012
I"m glad the statium is going to be built. Truly I am, I love the Vikings but I do feel like we were forced to approve this thing. Did we really ever have a choice? We had to figure out how to pay for it but I dont think there was ever a concern we'd actually just let the Vikings leave without a fight. My only concern is, considering the Metrodome was only built in 1982, 30 years ago, will 'they' want another stadium in another 30 years? What is the life expectency of this new stadium going to be? That should be given some serious consideration when designing it, knowing it will have to last more than 3 decades. Once this stadium is built it's time for this gravy train to end. This should be the LAST stadium of any kind to be built for a long, long, LONG time.
Leo Ganzer
8:20 am on Monday, May 14, 2012
This area has a long history of building cheap stadiums. I loved Met stadium but it looked like somethng from the old Soviet Union. Thankfully all that has ended with Ecel and Target Field. I am hoping the new stadium is built to last.
Jim
4:14 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
Expect in about 30 years there WILL BE demands by all professional sports franchises in the Twin Cities for new stadiums.
You see it has NOTHING to do with functionality, it's all about appearance and ammenities, like rest rooms, luxury seating, view of Minneapolis from the stadium, etc etc.
The Metrodome is 100% functional with a brand new roof. The Metrodome would last a long time as it is. A stadium much like the Metrodome was renovated in Canada for a fraction of the price of a completely new stadium.
There is one thing certian, once a new Vikings stadium is complete there WILL BE a Superbowl held in the new stadium AND the Vikings WILL become a winning football team just like the Twins have become a winning baseball team.
Mike Carlier
10:28 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Vikings are already great. Can you remember the last time they lost a playoff game? Me neither;)
Jim Edward
9:03 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
I remember a few years back listening to another owner of the Vikings complaining about the Metro Dome. He also wanted a new stadium because there isn't enough room in the present one for more luxury suites. It's all about the Big Bucks! Give me a million bucks and I'll come up with a plan to put in more suites and put a retractable roof on the dome. Nothing connected to this fiasco has anything to do with "Functionality". When it is finished, for half the cost, I'll give the taxpayers back the change from the million.
Brad Kadue
12:08 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
From a financial standpoint, it's a bad investment...particurlary for the city of Minneapolis who is on the hook for billions of dollars in operating costs over the next 20 years.
But then again, it's no worse than the Guthrie from that perspective...though a bit large in scale.
christine
10:49 am on Monday, March 25, 2013
No. Bad timing. Also a lot of people cannot afford to go to a Vike's game. 5 years from now they will be whining about something else and they will want another new Stadium.